Are we too late?

[Diane, Denizen]

Now I don't want to sound pessimistic, but this question has been on my mind for some time, I have alluded to it before in other posts and it came up briefly when I was chatting with Howard on EVRN.

Are we too late? Is the damage done to humanity already too advanced to pull things back to where they should be?

I have seen some pretty distressing evidence lately of how namby pamby touchie feely policies have devastated human endurance, skill and ability. I'm 50 odd years old and in my lifetime, so far, I have watched people go from hardy, skilled and knowledgeable, to, weak, constantly ill, beings who concern themselves with things that most sane people would find silly.

Just the other day I saw a mother drive her kids 60meters to catch the school bus-just because it was raining. Another mother starts the car in the morning lets it warm up with the heater on, dresses her kids up like they are going on an arctic expedition before she drives them to school-the kids don't have the ability to stand the cold-and she thinks she is being a good mother?

In truth people are not living longer and are getting illness that 'needs' medicating at an ever younger age. If you think this isn't true, have a walk around a turn of the last century graveyard and look at the ages on the stones; 88, 92, 94 even some who died young at 74.

When I was in junior school we had one spoiled fat kid, one boy with asthma, the rest of us (class size about 30) were like whippets, we all had snotty noses and we all walked to school and most of us crossed the roads without help from an adult; my friend Brenda used to walk 2 mile through the woods to get to school, indeed I can't remember one kid who arrived by car.

People were stronger then. We had a neighbour, Ted Davies, a lovely gentle Welsh grand dad, he was in his 80s when he died and he kept his veg garden going almost to the end, he was an ex-railway man and had been out on the station in all weathers, never got ill. There are some old people alive now who are of the same hardy constitution, we have a neighbour, he lives about a mile or so away and he has an after dinner walk most sundays come rain or shine. But what of the future? I do see a glimmer of hope, there are some (too few may be) young people who have figured out what is going on, we had two at our last Can-y-Gwynt bash, one young woman and one young man, both with incredible skills and both with that living spark of genuine humanity. We really need to encourage young people to wake up; older people who are still asleep might well be a lost cause-too much propaganda, too many microwave meals and too much jumping in the car to go 50 meters to the shop.

That reminds me of the food angle as well, in days gone by, mothers stayed in the home and even the ones who didn't consider themselves good cooks, cooked from scratch and were a hell of a lot better than mothers today who get everything in a jar, tin or frozen and them microwave all the nutrition to death.
If society continues on this path unabated, a point will be reached where turning back will not be an option, the skills base will be lost, education will be what people get in school, and no more, 'health' will be down to pharmacuticals rather than nutrition.

Where do we go from here? Will hedge schools come back as a means to keep knowledge alive- a new subculture of 'sacred' knowledge? Only time will tell, I suppose.

[Spirality]

Hedge Schools are a great idea, they worked before!
Its kind-of handier these days with the internet, we can share learning resources and information. The best way to organize is by word-of-mouth, a tried and tested way to help ourselves out.
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We do accept too many bad habits as "normal", and since we are constantly told we are "on the right track" by our beloved elected lawyers, we can settle in to our comfort zones and watch some more docu-drama-reality-info-tainment on TV. We do a lot of things the OPPOSITE to how we should.
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There is a world of knowledge and a wealth of experience and wisdom that our Elders can share with us. People need to realize and understand that Life-Skills are passed down IN LIVING MEMORY, but only if there is enough time.
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People in Communities should set up Elder Groups, who pass on their teachings whenever they are ready to share. Many of those old guys you see moving slowly down the street were flying Aeroplanes during World War 2, or going off to God-knows-where to defend all our freedoms against the Nazi World Order, putting themselves between the Invaders and Your Own Grandparents! Many of them were just 16 and 17 years old.
War was a lot simpler back then, the Nazis wore Nazi uniforms .... !
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Ireland used to manufacture things and produce enough food for itself, but now its only populated by the People who work for US Multinationals, huge corporations who want your loyalty and your best years. People should do what interests them or what makes them happy, they will find a way to make a living from it later.
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People have been sharing skills under Elder guidance for thousands of years, none of which is passed on under State "Education", we have spent centuries drinking unpasteurized milk and using herbal remedies (from actual plants) and thriving. Our Ancestors have even explored areas of Understanding and Technology which is unimaginable to us today.
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All that remains of some Ancient Technology and Legend is a few Stories and Artifacts, and we are now on the verge of being wiped-out again. Our Civilization's Skills, Technology and Experience will perish within the next few short years - unless people ACT very soon. I suggest finding like-minded people in our own Communities as that is where we can work most effectively. Build things, share things, learn things, have snacks.
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The aim is to become self sufficient in all the things we rely on, including electricity and food. Our Legacy should not be that we lay down and died with nothing.
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We might need a Plan Of Action, maybe a sit down with someone who knows about Community Groups?
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For those interested in Next Level Technology
http://freemanireland.ning.com/group/freedomsciences/forum/topics/e...
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Science Group
http://freemanireland.ning.com/group/freedomsciences
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Old Time Music is played for an Elder in a nursing home.
http://freemanireland.ning.com/video/old-man-in-nursing-home-reacts...

[Diane, Denizen]

Thanks for this Spir, just what I was hoping for-a dose of reality. Really, there is a problem, peripherally for people here, but in the face of society. The majority seem to be oblivious to the current reality. Our solution here is this http://freemanireland.ning.com/forum/topics/ccgs-community-cohesion...

We are slowly working on this, but it is hard, generally there is a deficit of trust (by design, I know, but it is what it is) we are trying to get a number of intelligent, self-sufficient, skilled and decent people together to work on this idea. If we are not in a position to have a continuance of knowledge, Common Purpose will be there to take total control-Hitler's 5th column revisited.
Time might be getting short as it is, the sources I use suggest that the Euro will fail and to distract the sheeple, war is the other item on the elitist's list of sick things to do. It might be a wank-fest for them, but everyone else will have to deal with the fallout (metaphorically and may be literally). Our shyster government will not protect us, so we have to protect ourselves (while Putin is building 5000 new fall-out shelters around the capitol, our wankster politicians don't even have a fall-out shelter for themselves, those who care little for themselves care less about others. At least this gives the slight hope that they will be wiped out and real people might have a chance to make it right.

[Bob Newman]

Maybe, just maybe "hedge schools" were better than our current conventional schools but as you say; "only time will tell" Diane.

(I believe parents should not handicap their children by giving them an easy life)