Bizarre change in direction from We Are Change, Ireland

Is anyone else here concerned about the strange pseudochristian direction that the We Are Change,Ireland group have taken recently? I have done a little research and it seems they are now greatly influenced b a man named Paul Flynn of Megiddofilms.org and are supporting and endorsing his theories.
For further information on both Paul Flynn and Megiddo films please click the links below.
I do hope that you all get this message and consider the consequences of having for profit,homophobic, religious fundamentalists who are against a woman's right to choose continuing to use the We Are Change moniker while pushing a pseudochristian agenda. I have challenged them and suggested that they delete the group and restart under a new name rather than hold on to the members who are being misled with their destructive and selfish agenda, the result is that I have been blocked from posting and all of my posts and responses deleted. One of their editors then went on to say that I refused to back up any claims, of which there were none and was slanderous and dishonest, after removing all of my responses and posts! I think this speaks volumes on the integrity of this group as they would rather gag their dissenters than defend their position and be honest with their members.

Just wondering how the general community associated with this group feel about this aggressive new direction.

Many Thanks

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Permalink Reply by bobby d on January 20, 2012 at 1:09

Some of the people in this group (TNS) have taken a christian dogmatic turn for the worst also. I have empathy for these lost people though. They may hopefully just need to purge some inner trauma and then turn back to reality. I think the 2 sites are somewhat connected and know some of the individuals you speak of. In fact, I would not be surprised if they were to post in this thread soon.

Permalink Reply by Leon on January 20, 2012 at 3:38

Thanks for the Replies all. I have been registered to Tir Na Saor previously but forgot my login. I "lurk" quite a bit on the forum and watch videos and have attended a few rallies and meets, but im quiet when it comes to online discussion usually prefer to talk face to face. I know that the people involved in WaC Ireland are good people, ive met them and chatted, though they may not be aware of this. What concerned me most was the sudden turn from a truth seeking perspective to one of a christian conspiracy perspective. I am more concerned for the people involved, who were quite active here than what they post. Again many thanks for your responses

Permalink Reply by Leon on January 20, 2012 at 3:54

Unfortunately I cant provide links as I have been blocked and all of my posts deleted. I have disagreed in the past when any links were copypasted from bad sources with (in my opinion) sketchy info, and liked shared and supported stuff that I agreed with or found interesting. It was just in the last few days that I was shut down cold. Rather than discuss and uphold the new direction all of my posts and replies to their retorts were deleted and I was banned. I have mailed the page owners and requested reinstatement and a frank and open discussion and have received no response. This is not a personal war or anything. I will defend myself and my beliefs. I have all of the text of my most recent posts on Jim Corrs page and my email to one of the Admins and will gladly post here if asked.

Permalink Reply by Howard Crane on January 20, 2012 at 9:01

Ron: Get a fucking life.

Leon: I'm pretty damn sure We Are Change, as individuals, are aware of the trend within We Are Change.
How is it otherwise possible? Are they retarded? Have they lost their minds? And if so, what are you complaining about? Christianity often hijacks social groups.

Permalink Reply by paula mc neilly on January 20, 2012 at 11:38

Bobby I agree, it is very dogmatic on this site, and we get stuff blocked and took down, but alas not to worry, the point of setting up a website called tir na soar, then realise you are not free, you can fight all these external realities within society, but alas the change really comes from within, however, Ive met some really beautifull souls on this site, so alas all is not lost, In life changes occur, things happen, but it's all learning and growth, never fear..I know Leeon, you must be devastated, but you have and will grow with the experience.
peace and love

Permalink Reply by Spirality on January 20, 2012 at 14:55

Leon: Its true you have not provided any links or other text from the original argument on the other site, and it is only those "proofs" that will graduate this thread from rumor/disinfo into a proper discussion.
Would also like to see input from WAC.

You can use the Stealthy add-on to change your IP and access the site you are blocked from http://www.stealthy.co/

As Paula has mentioned, certain people get deleted, but she has not mentioned that they are all of the debunker/disinfo/spam/scam/troll type. If you have had stuff blocked or taken down unfairly, you should make a thread raising the issue, and not just badmouth with a flippant remark.

Permalink Reply by breda murphy on January 20, 2012 at 18:59

I AM VERY SORRY TO HEAR THIS ,AS I AM NOT ONLINE ALOT. PEACE.BREDA MURPHY.

Permalink Reply by Leon on January 20, 2012 at 19:29

Spirality I think you may have misunderstood. My posts and replies have been deleted, there is no link I can provide. Below is a link to the thread on Jim Corrs page. I have decided to cease comunication as the responses are rambling and incoherent for the ost part,I am willing to discuss further with the members of WaC through private mail, here or on my page I feel it is unfair to discuss it on Jim corrs page. Below is a link. Thanks
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=238669906207526&a...

Permalink Reply by Spirality on January 20, 2012 at 20:52

Well, look at it from my perspective for a minute... A brand new member (You) shows up and asserts that the We Are Change group are under the influence of a Paul Flynn. You don't say anything about who that is, what he does, what he wants, nothing. You fail to mention where you got the initial information, or which site you posted and were banned from. Notably, you also call into question the integrity of WAC and yet you don't support your own claim with a single bit of evidence, or any information on Paul Flynn, whoever that is.

You want all readers to see WAC as a failed organization and essentially not to be trusted? You even want them to delete their group?
Your post is looking more and more like hate-mail, gossip or common disinfo to me, as the comments you make are essentially arguing your initial unsupported claim. The clock is ticking for this thread...

In short, Evidence or gtfo.

Incidentally, that facefook link needs a membership to view it. You should provide links that people can access.

Leon said:

Spirality I think you may have misunderstood. My posts and replies have been deleted, there is no link I can provide. Below is a link to the thread on Jim Corrs page. I have decided to cease comunication as the responses are rambling and incoherent for the ost part,I am willing to discuss further with the members of WaC through private mail, here or on my page I feel it is unfair to discuss it on Jim corrs page. Below is a link. Thanks
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=238669906207526&a...

Permalink Reply by Christopher on January 21, 2012 at 1:46

Its a pity to see the direction they all went in,but it doesnt bother me too much. ill call them out when they post something claiming it so be a fact or some amazing maths from the bible which is really just illogical ramblings and rubbish,but they are nice guys in general and i dont have much of a problem with them apart from the holy joe stuff. you cant agree with everyone on everything and you may find you share more in common with them than not.

Permalink Reply by Spirality on January 21, 2012 at 12:12

What direction they went in?
This thread is the same Chris, Leon is claiming something to be fact but shows nothing to support it.

Christopher said:

Its a pity to see the direction they all went in,but it doesnt bother me too much. ill call them out when they post something claiming it so be a fact...

Permalink Reply by Christopher on January 21, 2012 at 14:21

i cant speak for all of them spirality but the few that i know who claim to be in wac have gone all "holy joe" going on about the bible and JC as the saviour and all that jazz. not my cup of tea but each to their own. just ask any of them yourself or read their blogs and website if you want some kind of evidence, or even just ask them. i doubt anyone of them would deny they have changed as i described