Bord Gais, A4V and Legal Proceeding, Advice please ?

[Door32]

Scenario

I have a Bord Gais bill outstanding now for 2 years. It stands at around €1,400.
I A4V the Bill using the FMOTL letters ,which I adjusted to represent Irish laws.
The Letters clearly outlined the terms of the Bills of Exchange Act 1882 and how it pertains to this payment.
Bord Gais have not returned the Money Order I sent their CEO and therefore have accepted it.
Bord Gais made 2 unsuccessful attempts to cut me off but could not because I would not agree to it.
Bord Gais then came in the night and cut it off anyway despite being under NOTICE not to come on my land and NOTICE that they would be contravening the EU Constitution of Human Rights
Bord Gais now have sent a letter today via a solicitor demanding payment by 12th july in full or they will immediately instigate legal procedings

Right, so what advice have anyone for me for the next step ?
Are there any good threads on here you can direct me to ?

One option I have is to write and demand re-connection as my NAME has fulfilled the contract to pay by the A4V. Is it too late for that? Do I do it as a NOTICE or just a letter ?

However what then? What happens when they ignore that too?

Can I discount the solicitor as a 3rd party interloper and if so how ?

What happens if they take it to court ?

Any suggestions gratefully received

[Door32]

Hmmm, no ideas here then it seems

[Antaine]

Ben Lowrey has videos on youtube about this A4V stuff. I havent read into it too much myself. Sorry

[komurchu]

This really highlights the danger of embarking on a process that you may not fully comprehend.
Not sure of the exact wording of your/their letters etc but yes tell the third party to go away and perhaps stall for time as you get a full grip on all thats involved in dealing with all these fictions.

[Diane, Denizen]

Didn't they accept payment though. Shouldn't you be the one instigating the court action, if in doubt, I always go on the offensive.

[Door32]

I have sent a letter demanding the solicitor prove they have a contract with me or admit they are a 3rd party interloper. the 10 day of the notice to reply has expired.

Yes indeed they have accepted payment but have not zeroed the bill and therefore are committing fraud. Then the next question is how do I go on the offensive ? What is the procedure in taking one of these companies to commercial court ?

[Door32]

Well it was embarked upon out of financial necessity (I hadn't any fiat currency to pay it so I was not losing anything by trying)

[Ogmios]

Door32 - Why would you be taking anyone into a commercial court this is their territory, you need to be going no where near a commercial court which will deploy Maratime Law and crush you.

Look at the video's on Robert Menard and advancing your claim of right.

Also put a claim of right into the minister for finance and have them offset this bill by taking it from your claim of right dividend which we should be receiving but never do. 3 trillion Punts worth of Gas should without your consent in 1987 should fetch you a pretty penny.

Maybe we should all sell our shares to China and sell out claim of right to China, wouldn't that tweak their curiosity and put them on immediate notice of their neglect.

The Bord Gas belongs to you.

Its time people got tough all over this country and came together and start stickign to one thing at a time and posting every single thing on eah topic and stickign to that topic.

As I have said there is two much vagueness with people trying out all this stuff and then not knowing what to do next and then having to search constantly through new threads.

Come on people and administers on this site: highlight a thread dealign with Utilities and post under 1, ESB, 2, Eircom 3, Bord Gas,

Under Summons and fines: 1, Parking tickets 2, Speed camera's, 3, Stop and detain (this is not world war 2 germany for goodness sakes)

Oaths of offices

Sheriffs offices, what he is supposed to be doing and how you can get him to do anything.

Banks, 1, Mortgages (waiting on proof of original redemption letter sighting and then we can all go full flog) 2, Loans 3, reposses the repossession, what to do and who to contact.

Support groups for crowd control and eye witness statement should assualts take place

Courts 1, Establishing common law jurisdiction and getting out of maratime commercial crushing courts

Freemason watch 1, Establish a data base of all Oath takers who then proceed to take another Oath of office through a secret society, surely this is a very important appraoch and must be stopped.

Come on Sovereigns unite and embark with concrete driection

Peace to you all

[Door32]

Well look at it this way. If a corporation exceeds it's mandate and breeches my notices, then what other recource is there to force them to abide by the notices if they are simply going to ignore them? There must be a route in their own commercial world to enforce them if they are binding contracts. So what is it ?

Rob Menard talks a lot of sense but yet again he tells us some things eg 96 is your fix, but never tells us the whole deal, like who does he write to, what does he instruct them to do, where does he send things, how does he follow up if they are ignored, has he ever had a success proven. Seriously all I get is part stories and nobody telling the whole truth

[Eoghan]

Hi Door,

Have you seen this thread? check out the 3rd post..ya never know it might work.

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=2344&...

[Door32]

yeah I am looking into that at the moment, you see that is Canada so we need to come up with the Irish equivalents. Plus we don't know what other documents he filed first to initiate this process. Full story is always missing

[Eoghan]

Ask Bord Gais for a bill..

[Eoghan]

Vic Beck...

 

When the Estate is the drawer of and issues a cheque (bill) drawn on a bank, the Estate as drawer is the party that has to make sure there are sufficient funds in the account drawn on.

So to then the drawer of a bill must make sure the funds are there to cover the bill.

Bills of Exchange Act: Drawer

129. The drawer of a bill by drawing it

(a) engages that on due presentment it shall be accepted and paid according to
its tenor, and that if it is dishonoured he will compensate the holder or any
endorser who is compelled to pay it, if the requisite proceedings on dishonour
are duly taken; and

(b) is precluded from denying to a holder in due course the existence of the
payee and his then capacity to endorse.

R.S., c. B-5, s. 130.

In our case the drawer cannot dishonour the bill because the purpose of the bill is the settlement of your account. In other words, its purpose is set-off.

No different than you owe me 5 bucks and I owe you five bucks. You issue a cheque drawn on a bank and I take it and endorse it back to you. Although the bank was not involved in that negotiation, our debts are settled and documented. By issuing the cheque, to be in honour the funds have to be in the Estate (bank) account the cheque is drawing on even though there was no actual draw and we knew there would not be.

So you see how a cheque can be money, settle accounts, but there was no commercial bank involved. No what you think is money. So when they, drawer, issue a bill as their remedy to settle your/Estate account, by issuing the bill they are saying the funds (remedy) are there to make it good.

In essence, they only need your signature on the bill to have documentation, proof, they did their job as trustee/public servant or licensee.

We can gather that so long as they think we are the vessel, the name, the Estate, we are going to bear the public liability, but when we come in as men and women accepting liability for the vessel, name, Estate, the jig is up. There is you and there is Estate.

So what has been happening it seems is they issue an invoice and we issue a cheque, bill of exchange drawn on a bank, making the Estate the drawer and liable for payment, but the invoicer should be issuing the bill making that party the drawer and liable. In short, they get us to issue a bill when they should issue a bill.

For those of you with dreams of contracting for purchases and having the seller issue you a bill, keep in mind that there is ignorance out there. Asking for or demanding a bill on existing accounts should be easy.

My thoughts are to ask for or demand a bill from an existing supplier and if they give me flak to take it to the government that licensed that party.

 

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