Court summons and parking ticket

[Uileog O'Brionn]

Hi all!

 

I've been reading the website for a few months and on the back of it learning loads of insights, and keeping an eye on other similar information too. Brain expansion!!

 

Anyways, I got a parking ticket in August and didn't pay the fine. The demands of the town council have changed form letter to letter from €40 to €60 and then to €40 again. I really don't want to pay anything and I don't see why I should.

 

I sent them a letter of conditional acceptance in November asking for the contract I had signed with a member of the town council, and also identifying myself as a flesh and blood man and not a corporation. But feeling a bit cocky at this stage I never registered the letter, so I may as well pretend that I didn't even send it at this stage, because they don't have to pretend they got it. I used "without prejudice" so I presume they're not going to pull it up in court. The court summons arrived to the address the car is registered at, and my mother with the best intentions signed for it. That was about two and a half weeks ago.

So, my questions. I reckon I'm in dishonour at the second and so would like to send a letter to the court saying I don't want to attend and am in touch with the town council, and a letter to the town council asking for them to produce a contract, and stating that they will be in dishonour unless they do that. This time I'll register the letters. I don't intend to appear in the court though I may put my head in on the day to see what happens, but definitely not identify myself.

 

Do people think this is the right way of going about things? I've been banging my head against a wall since I got the summons trying to get a letter together, so would someone be able to direct me to or post up a template I can work for both of these letters?

 

Any help or comments would be really appreciated. Much thanks!!

 

 

 

 

 

[Sean; Murtagh]

You should never sign for a "Registered letter" unless you personaly know who has sent it to you and what it is about.

[Uileog O'Brionn]

yeah i know that. but my mother signed for it with the best intentions. Also been told i could bring that letter in to the Guards and report it as found property, saying I don't understand that kinda legalese...

Sean; Murtagh said:

You should never sign for a "Registered letter" unless you personaly know who has sent it to you and what it is about.

[mishel]

wondering how you got on uileog? hello!
i in a similar boat got a ticket returned the fine foe e40 then e80 stating no contract. but silly (i should know better) didnt register the returned envelopes. should of done the conditional acceptance to contract upon prove of ....
so as i didnt open their letter they took me to court without me knowing now they want e425
writing a conditional acceptance letter now,moneys not due till june.
asking for proof of contract with town council also district court amongst other things.
look forward to hearing from you
mishel

[Uileog O'Brionn]

Heya Mishel,

I've been through this a few times now. The first time I sent off the letter of conditional acceptance and asked them for the contract and didn't register the letter either; I guess I trust the postal service! :-)

They didn't respond but instead sent me the same letter again. Then a court summons went to my folks house where the car is "registered". My mother signed it and I really didn't want to go about arguing with a judge. So I went into town council and paid their fine. I asked the clerk that day why they were asking me to pay, and he told me I had broken the law. i responded that I hadn't and so the argument went until I got fed up and left. But I thought it was really interesting that they could call off the court like that. The clerk told me that they would take me off the court list. That gave me a very strong message.

Town council 1. Me 0. But I had really started thinking about the nature of their problem.

A few months later another ticket was placed on my car. Needless to say letters started coming in my door telling me I owed the town council 40 euro, then 60 euro, then 80, then 40 again. I opened each of these letters and read the contents of then as best I could. Then I wrote across them:

"NO CONTRACT. RETURN TO SENDER. I DO NOT RECOGNISE YOU. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT. I DO NOT SHARE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU. NO ASSURED LIABILITY." ... something like that. I wrote their address on the envelope and put it right back in to the post.

But the letters kept coming. At every step i repeated the same action and I wrote my message to the private company that was purportedly sending me these letters. Finally a letter addressed to my real name (lower case as opposed to UPPER CASE which denotes STRAWMAN). Worded very nicely it told me that I didn't need to be involved in a contract to pay the fine as I had broken the Eoad Traffic Act etc etc. And then saying something about court proceedings that would follow if I didn't pay.

It took me a while to figure this one out because the letter was different. But then, having spoken to some other people, I realised that in effect this guy was trying to get me to sign a contract with him, or at least recognise a contract by contradicting him. As far as I know there's a number of ways of responding to a contract. Agreeing to it. Contradicting it (therefore recognising it and saying you wanna contest it), conditional acceptance, ignoring it (which is the same as accepting it), and the NO CONTRACT card. No contract, I think, is the wisest one. I haven't studied law. I definitely don't wanna defend a notion of myself in court or to the police. No contract, I think, makes me feel that I am acting justly and in honour.

So I did that. A registered letter arrived to me folk's house again but this time they didn't sign it. And that was the last I heard about the whole thing. A few friends have asked mt help them through the process since which I did but most people get freaked out when they see a summons coming to the door. This is a part of the intimidation that town councils seem to rely on; in short bullying tactics.

Hope this is a help. Let me know if I can offer any more advice. And that's all it is; my experience and advice. DO as you wish.

Peace,

Uileóg

[mishel]

thanks Uileog
i did the no contract .no international treaty. i do not understand your intent etc to the town council but now its the district court i dealing with.

parking on yellow lines is not unlawful but it might be illegal and my car is registered so maybe thats me snookered.

i have a half drafted notice of conditional acceptance to pay
and i asking for proof of contract with town council and also with distric court
and some other stuff like do they know difference between lawful and legal . difference between a person and a flesh and blood....

i wish i had conditionally accepted the town council stuff and kept away from the courts

got a separate issue coming up (maybe) regarding not registering home educating my children. people been put in prison for that in the past

ah well

i ll write my letter , ask loads of questions, so long as i stay in honour and peaceful and keep looking for remedy, or !! send them monthly instalments of a euro for the next 35 and a half years .. only joking

but seriously
thanks for swift reply
love n light
mishel

[Uileog O'Brionn]

It is difficult sometimes Mishel. In my experience I found that the town council didnt really know the answers to the questions I was asking, though they continued to act as if they did...

I personally didn't want to enter into any argument with the courts at the time because I reckon they're pretty devious. But people do do that kinda stuff.I spent a bit of time researching links on that kinda thing on youtube and this site.

I have some friends who home educate. I can PM you their contact details if that could be any help?

Peace