Critique of the Freeman by the Law Society

[Telemachus]

Critique of the Freeman on/of the Land by a debt collector of the law society:

Page 12:
http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/Gazette/Gazette%202012/April2012...

On 24 February, Ben Gilroy,
‘star’ of the YouTube
video ‘Constitution halts
sheriff’, appeared on TV3’s Ireland
AM speaking about how he had
‘defeated’ the sheriff of Portlaoise
and how others could do the same.
The methods he used are common
strategies of a group known as the
Freemen on the Land. This was
not the first appearance of this
movement on the national stage.
On 10 August 2011, Judge David
Anderson, presiding over Wexford
District Court, was challenged to
produce his oath of office by a person
holding himself out to be ‘Bobby of
the Family Sludds’.

[Kev]

Read this this morning,didn't think it was much of a critique and they could have done much better, a poor effort at best, and the title? Land of the Free - Home of the Deluded, very nice at getting the reader in the frame of mind beforehand. Not much of the actual substance has been challenged. More of a juvenile attempt of the law society to console themselves and reaffirm their deluded notions to each other. I'd like to write a proper response to it all if I find the time.

[Telemachus]

Its important for people in the freemen movement to respond to the points he made in non-emotive language, regardless of the hyperbolic language in the article.

[Spirality]

I read about half a page of that the other day and recognize the language of the "debunker", its nearly a textbook example, they are also into debunking energy stuff and conspiracies as you know.
Its a load of hyperbollocks alright, I don't even bother with them anymore, they don't want to learn anything. To me, if they had any respect to begin with, their arguments might be worth addressing, but not if its just another smear/whitewash job.

[Kev]

Which of the points in the article stuck out to you most Telemachus?

[Telemachus]

He claims there is a belief within the freemen movement that the BAR swears fealty to the british queen.

[Kev]

Okay, well there's the whole notion of 'taking silk', a wierd tradition that all barristers must undergoe, symbolically it refers to swearing fealty to the crown. One might ask what this is doing in the Irish legal system.

Telemachus said:

He claims there is a belief within the freemen movement that the BAR swears fealty to the british queen.

[Telemachus]

Well you might have to elaborate of what 'taking silk' is.

[Kev]

Web definitions

Queen's Counsel (postnominal QC), known as King's Counsel (postnominal KC) during the reign of a male sovereign, are lawyers appointed by letters patent to be one of "Her [or His] Majesty's Counsel learned in the law". ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_silk

to be appointed as a Queen's Counsel (QC) (a senior barrister)

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/take_silk

is licensed to wear a silk gown in the law courts; become Queen's (or King's) Counsel. Said of a barrister, which is a type of lawyer, but the details depend according to jurisdiction. The legal profession in many British countries is divided between solicitors and barristers. ...

www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/t.php

Telemachus said:

Well you might have to elaborate of what 'taking silk' is.

[Telemachus]

I assume this is a tradition of clothing rather than the implication of fealty swearing.

[Kev]

Well if you focus on the third definition (first result of a google search btw)and ignore the rest, of course you could be inclined to assume that.

[Brian of the family Whelan]

I'd say Kev your are the man to write a rebuttal to this member of the establishment, suggest dissecting his arguements one by one and post it somewhere public where the establishment can view it.

[Just Ash]

I was actually quite disappointed at the standard of article being produced by the Law Society.. Although really not sure why I expected more from them... I suppose I thought if they were going to go to the effort of debunking that they would at least do a critical analysis rather than a "OH, look how silly these people are!"...