26 March 2014
Kev discusses the origins of the Irish people starting with its earliest inhabitants. Learn about the Cessarians, Partholónians, Nemedians, the Fir Bolgs, the Fomorians, and the mysterious Tuatha De Danaan.
In the first fifteen minutes Kev chats with Tommy James about an Organic Food and Healthy Living event, and there is a song from Irish Band "Run from the Cure".
14:40 - Main Feature
Someone told me years ago that a Legend is based on truth, and a Myth is not.
Legend: early 14c., "narrative dealing with a happening or an event," from Old French legende (12c., Modern French légende) and directly from Medieval Latin legenda "legend, story," literally "(things) to be read," on certain days in church, etc., from Latin legendus, neuter plural gerundive of legere "to read, gather, select" (see lecture (n.)).
Used originally of saints' lives; extended sense of "nonhistorical or mythical story" first recorded late 14c. Meaning "writing or inscription" (especially on a coin or medal) is from 1610s; on a map, illustration, etc., from 1903.
With respect, in my opinion there are many fundamental points Kev has gotten wrong and not addressed.
1) This is all post 10,000 B.C., what about the Millennia before that?
Much evidence shows the Tuatha Dé Danann were the original inhabitants of Ireland Pre 10,000 B.C. -- but had to leave at that time as the world flood covered Ireland --- they went to central Highlands of Europe (no, not Greece but the Danube Region--- hence the name)
They returned to find other tribes had entered Ireland in that time, even then as they were so honourable they simply wanted to share their own homeland but the Firbolg refused so then went to battle. Even then after beating the Firbolg -- the Tuatha Dé Danann allowed them to stay and have a province to themselves --- how many people would do that if they found someone squatting in their home--- give them a part of your house to them?
Does that sound like an 'evil race', the Tuatha Dé Danann ? No doesn't sound like it to me.
Kev --- you wondered where --- the 'Fae / Tuatha' may have a gotten a 'bad name' from --- well it's called propaganda Kev, that's where.
2)The Milesians a.k.a Gaels from originally Egypt(some evidence also points to Sumer before that) then went to Galicia ( where they stayed for a time and gathered more soldiers) --- They are not Basques --- Two completely different people --- The Firbolg are most likely connected to the Basques, by the way the Basque people aren't even that 'Dark', they are famously the 'Fairest' people in Spain. So the connection between 'Dark Irish' and Basques is incorrect.
3)The Milesians did not beat the Tuatha Dé Danann --- they simply moved to Tír na nÓg/ Hy Brasil --- to spare the destruction of the island of Ireland in an all out battle with the Arc(an electrical/atomic device) carrying Milesians. Before they did they left descendants within the population which continued through the Celts (another later group) which remains to this day-- e.g. Cú Chulainn was half Tuatha Dé Danann and half Celt.
4)The Celts were never discussed here , why? The Celts arrived at 500 B.C., (and the Celts are not the Gaels, just to spare any confusion) --- they were the last 'pre-historic' group but a group of great connection to nature and linked closely to the Tuatha Dé Danann, hence why Cú Chulainn was half of each.
5)While I respect all of Irelands and the worlds people --- we can't gloss over the truth , for example it is very obvious that we are not just Milesians/Gaels , so why do we call ourselves that? That would be like the English calling themselves Romans.
6) I think each tribe should be respected for their part in Irish history for example --- The Tuatha Dé Danann invented Hurling, Ogham and built 'Newgrange' and Tara and the Firbolg built 'Dun Aengus' --- for example.
Near the end of the podcast/story, the Tuatha Dé Danann are sent to live in the hills and mountains, inspiring stories of fairy folk that still resonate today.
If anyone is interested, there is a thread on "Little People" for exploring any ideas that come up.