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viable alternatives to capitalism

looking to discuss real ways to irradicate capitalistic ideals and to create a new fairness for the future.

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hopeing to find here people who want to discuss then bring into reality new ideas to create a fair future for all. co ops,profit shareing etc.. hopeing that by taking away one mans greed for himself and his imidiate family and turning it into whats best for his community and the planet..
we all know whats wrong...
the seedy politicans ,the banks, the masons,royalty,religeon,the abilty of a very small minority to accumilate masses of wealth with the total disregard for their fellow man or the earths resources..
anyone want to chat about real change?

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The AntiCapitalist

Started by Philip Jay Fry Apr 29, 2014. 0 Replies

Here's an idea worth thinking about.Get a lot of like minded people like the users of Tirnasaor together. Everyone puts money together to start a shop , this shop however runs on the basis that it's…Continue

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Comment by Kev on April 9, 2015 at 23:30

https://www.mixcloud.com/Tir_na_Saor/mad-world-with-michael-telling... Here's an interview we did on Mad World with founder of the UBUNTU movement Michael Tellinger. In an Irish context, I believe Africa's UBUNTU is Ireland's Brehon Law.

Comment by brian of the family whelan on April 9, 2015 at 22:59

There is an obvious alternative that is a better system but that depends on the evolution of people and that is Ubuntu, no not the Linux operating system but a system which operates on people's sovereignty. Michael Tellinger in South Africa has been trialling it for the past few years and is apparently having great success, he was interviewed recently on Tir na Saor. It operates on no money, people in its simplest form simply continue what there are doing ie if you are a car mechanic you repair cars but don't get paid, go shopping you don't pay for your groceries, go get your hair cut you don't pay. Nobody gets paid there’s no money, people act on their sovereignty, its quite a change yet like all great ideas its the simplest. Most people are not ready for Ubuntu yet as its just too much of a change but there are small numbers of people who have had enough of the current system. I believe the system will eventually take hold, just think, no bosses as such, people taking responsibility for their actions at all times, no crime, no hoarding of wealth by anyone - its the answer but the great mass of people are not ready yet. Capitalism promotes differentiation which is what the controllers wanted, to separate people with some getting higher up the pyramid than others its a reptilian system according to my research not a human system. The few at the top getting the lion share of the wealth yep its their system alright. Society would rearrange itself under Ubuntu, there would no wars, add in free energy, growing your own food it could be a lot better place to live. No elites, no money to manipulate and corrupt everyone.

Comment by bran og on April 16, 2014 at 20:55

i agree.the least amount you can get away with paying into the coffers of our support the elite government the better..

 

Comment by Diane, Denizen on April 15, 2014 at 12:36

Yes, WOOFers  wooff.ie  just about the best way of getting help around the place. My view is that the system is broken, I want nothing to do with it, I don't vote anymore and I do not want to fund that system because it is corrupt and predatory.

Comment by bran og on April 15, 2014 at 9:19

when i was 17 or 18 and working in cork at the time i was very very temted to join a commune down there and nearly did..

the only thing that held me back was that i felt it was a little like the ostrich sticking its head in the sand and and him thinking ohh this sand is lovely in here and ive got my mates with me,what could be better.. all the while the world around them is falling apart and as corrupt as ever..

Comment by bran og on April 15, 2014 at 9:13

WOOF network? you say members were to busy.. i think the fact that they are allready members means that they already realise that there is a wrong happening... and are looking for ways to fix that wrong.

its the people in the communities that dont realise this that need to be engaged..

Comment by Diane, Denizen on April 15, 2014 at 9:02

We do have a loosely based community, we did try regular meetings using the Community Cohesion method, but most members were too busy getting on with living the way they wanted to get really involved. Most tend to be fairly private independent types and most use the WOOF network to get help over the growing months.

Comment by bran og on April 15, 2014 at 8:58

I am a little dissalusioned with the setting up of the small commune idea.the small commune is a perfect one,but only for the people in it and the people in other small communes.there is nothing wrong per say about that but it doesnt go a long way to fixing the engrained idea in the phschy of the masses that it is morraly right to accumalte wealth from the sweat and the backs of others..

I think looking at the communitys we come from (lets face it,they are far from perct) and trying to change the mindset of the people within is the only way to go..

richard b barret and his people before profit party has kinda hit on the idea but its no way near fundamental enough.it doesnt claim that making profits per say is wrong which in my view it is.. and also it is a party in a political system that cannont be fixed from the inside..

the very idea that we the people are goverened is a sick one.. the idea that you vote somebody in(say our queen edna) and he and a handfull of his cronies run the country for f0ur years,no questions asked.this idea that the people had a choice and you have to live with it is a laughable one..

i know kev posted on here an idea (which was very similar to my own) of a system where local needs are voted on by the locals and where if decisions have to be made on a bigger scale than every single dicision can be be voted on by the masses.. in this digital age we live in this is of course a viable one..e.g if every person was issued with an ipad or something similiar just for voting ..

a politican should be nothing more than a monkey in a suit doing exactly what we tell them when we tell them.in other words exactly the oppisite to what we have now..

Comment by Jeremy DiCaprio on April 14, 2014 at 22:22

I see what you're saying. I guess, it all depends on which situation you get yourself into. You could start a new community (in which case you'd better know what you are doing or the community will fail quickly, as was the case with many intentional communities during the American commune movement of the 60's), or you could try joining a community that is already established....Ideally, I would prefer to get involved with a correlative network of communities that stay in contact with each other and help each other out whenever needed, because that seems the most practical option when it comes to this sort of lifestyle. A network as such could thrive if each community within the network shared the same basic ideals (for ex., equal treatment of all people, cooperation, sharing, and a give-give-give attitude instead of a get-get-get attitude)...

Comment by Diane, Denizen on April 14, 2014 at 22:03

This has been on my mind for the longest time. We live on a self sufficient holding, the plan is going well, that said, if we were doing the same thing in a close community, the job would have been easier and success would have been quick and relatively easy. Of course we live a society of planned separation and when people try and organise we get the Waco, Ruby Ridge scenario. If you want to do this the best way is to buy a derelict village, but be ready to defend it.

 

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