Solar activity in the Earth's Thermosphere can reach over 1000 degrees C 

Aluminium melts at 660 degrees C

So how do you get something into space without the Solar radiation melting the spacecraft? 

How do you get anyone past the Van Allen radiation belts alive, if they exist?

The answer is - you don't 

But you can say you did and people would believe you, how would we know?

You only have to look at films like The Martian or Gravity to see how realistic things can be made to look, even NASA's "real" images are all computer composites and art.

Faking a space mission would be so easy for them, and profitable.

      There are many movies that show fake space missions, including ...

Capricorn One - faking a mission to Mars (1978 drama) (watch) (block pop-ups)  Stars OJ Simpson and Buck Rogers

Moonwalkers - fake Moon landing (2015 comedy with mature themes) (watch) stars Ron Pearlman and Ron Weasley

Room 237 (2012 documentary) implies that the 1969 Moon landing was filmed in a studio by Stanley Kubrick, and is indicated in his movie The Shining with Jack Nicholson (watch room 237

Space Cadets is a Channel 4 "reality" show in 10 episodes, in which 3 impressionable volunteers are fooled into believing that they have gone into space and orbited Earth for 5 days (2005 entertainment) (watch)  (you tube playlist)

references:

www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html 

www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Thermosphere.aspx

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Comment by stephen kells on July 8, 2016 at 13:17

I just finished watching the documentary 237 an there us very little reference to apollo 11

Comment by Finnegan on July 7, 2016 at 22:07

I'm with you on this one Spire , They're having us on !

Comment by Finnegan on July 7, 2016 at 22:05

Comment by Spirality on July 7, 2016 at 13:11

Your not being a pain, I'm after the truth in the end and I don't mind being wrong about stuff in the meantime. I have started to take an evidence-based approach to science, as there are too many frauds and pseudo's claiming all sorts.

I remember hearing an Astronaut talking about the Van Halen belts with regard to the Moon "landing", he said "We didn't know about them in those days so they didn't affect us", it might have been Glenn or Buzz. If that radiation exists, the levels would be astronomical, I can't imagine what protection you would need besides several dozen tons of lead, very expensive to launch lead into space.

Some people say that the solar radiation needs a medium like air to transfer it's heat, and so the spacecraft doesn't get hot in the Thermosphere because the air is so thin, but there is just under 1 bar of breathable air in the shuttle, and possibly other fluids, so unless the radiation makes an exception for those, I would think they should get hot aswel.

There is (supposedly) a new satellite called Juno, orbiting and taking pictures of Jupiter, and it is claimed to be made from Titanium (melts at 1670 C). If that spacecraft is going to be red hot during parts of the flight, how do the wiring and components survive? How does the camera lens not break? How do the integrated circuits not fry? Is the transmitter also made from Titanium? What is the truth about the Thermos-layer?

Comment by stephen kells on July 7, 2016 at 4:03
Sorry, im a pain I know.

Definitely not been told the full story. I'd have to look more into the radiation belt thing. A relative who is an avide astronomer told me that it was first thought that we couldn't get up there because of the radiation belt but now we can. And if it is true that it's that hot up there that it can melt metal then if they are going up then what materials are they using. We already know that we don't get our hands on the type of solar panels that they use. Who knows what else.

I will return when I study van halen's leather belts ;)
Comment by stephen kells on July 7, 2016 at 3:57
Comment by Spirality on July 6, 2016 at 21:12

I have seen very few satellite dishes pointing up, they nearly always point around horizontal, such as they would point to a mast.

There is also a transatlantic cable running from Valentia island to Nova Scotia I believe, so no need for satellite there. 

I'm sure we put people and things in space, but I doubt we are told the real story. There are so many inconsistencies with the Naza images and claims, its hard to believe anything they say.

Are there satellites in space? A lot of people believe there are, but without hard evidence I would be left guessing.

Comment by stephen kells on July 6, 2016 at 10:22

Just Devil's advocate her - What about all of our satellites ?  Are they not in outer space ?

Comment by Spirality on July 5, 2016 at 1:00

Ordinary folk aren't allowed into space, or into Antarctica, and many other places for that matter, to verify any claims made by Industry.

The best we can do is send up weather balloons, they are a very safe and efficient way of getting cameras up to a very high altitude.

    (I made some small changes to the original post, I added some text, and a bit more info about the movies)

Comment by Spirality on July 3, 2016 at 5:39

One of the main points (which I didn't include in the original post) is that Nasa only shows us what they want us to see. They don't show us the Earth, except in digital composites, and often they get it wrong, there are instances of Nasa imagery where the spacecraft is in time lapse and the planet is not, or where the clouds don't move at all during hours of time-lapse (see the "blue Marble" video linked below).

People should find out how Nasa got started, there is a link below if anyone is interested.

We should review our accepted science paradigms generally, and sort out real science from bat-shit crazy notions and untestable theories calling themselves science.  Its the only way we can do science some justice.

I find it helpful to get the real scientific evidence first, and then see where it fits together. 

Could they fake a Mars mission? Yes

Would they fake a Mars mission? I wouldn't put it past them, there is a ton of money involved.

And what are the facts of spacecraft in the Thermosphere, are they not aluminium packets of air under solar radiation? Most of the information is kept from us.

What are the planets, what is the moon, the answer might as well be on the Moon.

I'm not sure if any of that answers your question  

How would you expand on this topic from here?

Links:

The story of NASA  http://www.tirnasaor.com/video/the-true-history-and-purpose-of-nasa 

Blue Marble animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwlCkSqTlWM

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