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Comment by Darndale on November 17, 2011 at 3:03

Warning Tir Na Saor visitors; the following tripe bored me as much to write as it will be for you to read.

@Darndale
Thanks for telling me that Dynalock is a brand, you could not have been more vague in your answer.

Dynolock - is a franchise of Locksmiths. If you re-read (or read at all for that matter) my post you will see that I was using this brand name as a play on the concept of 'unlocking'.

@Darndale
You have also failed to answer the question of how and why would you suppress people's potential? This question is of supreme importance to me, and it would be nice if you addressed it.

Simple answer:- I have no reason or intention to suppress anything or anyone. Please read my post and stop listening to the narrative inside your head.

@Darndale
Keeping with the theme of keyboard shyness, you didn't address any other question I put to you either, among them ...

I was not aware of my obligation to answer your questions which are - 'Off Topic'

@Darndale
You repeat that Falun Gong is a Cult but you can still show no evidence for that claim, despite suggesting now that it is sponsored by the New World Order.

As much as I would love to spoon feed you information - do a little research on where their cult leader is based and where they get their substantial funds from?

@Darndale
There are quite a few people here that would like to know for sure, one way or another.

What flippin people ?? Where??

@Darndale
(I'm going to remind you again, that if you want to write at length about a Falun Gong Cult,...

Writing 'at lenght'???? you accuse me of 'keyboard shyness' and now of writing at length? make up your mind

@Darndale
...do it in a seperate thread, this thread is about a Street Theatre Performance...

No mention of street theatre performance in your title? And if it is all about theatre why did you post actual footage of 'tank man' and links to another horrific video?? a bit off topic if you ask me? (btw - that's a figure of speech - please don't ask me)

@Darndale
... highlighting the Torture of Falun Dafa practitioners.

It highlights noting only anti-Chinese sentiment by cult members?

@Darndale
Off topic replies may be deleted/disregarded, as I have entertained/tolerated your Falun Gong arguments enough already)

Oh, so the site is Tir Na Saor - Land of the Free - but you threaten to remove my freedom of speech - what a paradox?

Just for your info - by the time you have read this post - I will have saved screen shots of my reply to you. Delete what you want - mindful of the very fact that I made a statement with no intention to argue the truth. If on the other hand you have evidence to support the claims made in the video - please support it.

@Darndale
You speak of anti-Chinese propaganda but have shown no proof.

I know sorry about that - the video was really made by the Chinese Bord Failte - you're not honestly telling me that this video is Pro-China?

@Darndale
You request that I show evidence that this "re-inactment" is fact? The video itself is evidence enough of people's need to perform this powerful piece of Theatre.

With this logic - Transformers must be true also??

@Darndale
Its possible that your just missing the point.

I've missed the point you are trying to make!

@Darndale
Another thing you seem to be avioding is your argument where a Child is burned in Tiananmen Square, while you conveniently ignore the video evidence of a protester being murdered by a Cop in broad daylight. Any response to that?

Once again - I was not aware of my obligation to make a response - thought this was off topic all the same - this was not theatre.

@Darndale
You also avoided the

Comment by Spirality on November 16, 2011 at 19:36

@Darndale
Thanks for telling me that Dynalock is a brand, you could not have been more vague in your answer. You have also failed to answer the question of how and why would you suppress people's potential? This question is of supreme importance to me, and it would be nice if you addressed it. 

Keeping with the theme of keyboard shyness, you didn't address any other question I put to you either, among them ...

• You repeat that Falun Gong is a Cult but you can still show no evidence for that claim, despite suggesting now that it is sponsored by the New World Order. There are quite a few people here that would like to know for sure, one way or another. (I'm going to remind you again, that if you want to write at length about a Falun Gong Cult, do it in a seperate thread, this thread is about a Street Theatre Performance highlighting the Torture of Falun Dafa practitioners. Off topic replies may be deleted/disregarded, as I have entertained/tolerated your Falun Gong arguments enough already)
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• You speak of anti-Chinese propaganda but have shown no proof.
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• You request that I show evidence that this "re-inactment" is fact? The video itself is evidence enough of people's need to perform this powerful piece of Theatre. Its possible that your just missing the point.
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• Another thing you seem to be avioding is your argument where a Child is burned in Tiananmen Square, while you conveniently ignore the video evidence of a protester being murdered by a Cop in broad daylight. Any response to that?
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• You also avoided the question "Is there some activity that the Falun Dafa practitioners are doing that you think justifies the army abducting and torturing them?"

 

Also, would you care to share your model of the hierarchy of some of the Chi diciplines, including Falun Gong, Qi Gong and Tai Chi, showing where you think Falun Dafa fits in, please?

Comment by Darndale on November 16, 2011 at 18:24

@Spirality >> This video is nothing more than anti Chinese propaganda - strange how you seek for me to support my claims and yet take this 're-inactment' (without any supporting evidence) as fact??

I never suggested anything about your alleged awareness or lack of?

Falun Gong is a NWO sponsored cult -

Dynolock is a brand -

Comment by paula mc neilly on November 16, 2011 at 15:19

regardless if Falun Gong, is a cult, nobody has the right to suppress or torture any other person for living, as how they see fit.In the western world little children are being tortured and abused by the cult of christianity/catholism, so badly that it is seen as the norm. Psychological warfare. love and peace to all the humanitarians

Comment by Spirality on November 16, 2011 at 7:27

@Darndale

If you could put together a thread on Falun Gong as a Cult, then I'd love to see it, especially the bit about mind control. I'm allegedly not as aware of their Modus Operandi as you. And while your here, will you please show a source for your claim of fact that "the Chinese Gov. has no issues with Qi Gong", and that "you will overcome the ordeal through meditation". What ordeal? Do you mean The Illusory Human Condition, or the ordeal of being tortured? You can only do what is within your control.

 

You have obviously (and mistakenly) associated Murder/Suicide with unlocking the Human Potential. Do you somehow believe that without your supression, all religious practitioners would set themselves and their families on fire so they can experience their own spiritual ecstasy? Because that's what is indicated to me, from what you wrote, "If unlocking your potential is going to Tian An Men square, sending yourself and your child up in flames in the belief that you will overcome the ordeal through meditation... I'd call Dynolock for any potential unlocking.". Sounds like maybe there is some Cult programming rattling around in there?  Your statement wouldn't be out of place in an FBI/David Koresh episode, Except you wouldn't know it as brainwashing, more like a Training Programme.

And about this murderous and suicidal pyromaniac you mentioned, can you show that any Falun Dafa protest at Tianamen square resulted in someone "sending" themselves and their Child up in flames? I'm not aware of that footage. Is there any evidence that that really happened, or did you make it up?

 

And can you please explain what you mean by "Dynalock"? How exactly would you supress the person's potential? Sorry, but this language is new to me.

 

I did happen to see some famous video footage recently of a Buddhist Monk on fire in Vietnam in 1963, but I have no idea why that Monk chose to protest that way. Maybe he thought that experiencing being a Human Being while becoming one with the Universe was already tricky enough without goverment "intervention"? Whatever the issue was, he thought it was so important that a life should be sacrificed to highlight it. Perhaps if you know why the Monk did what he did, you can illuminateus with the answer?

I do have to say, I love Chinese people.  But the China Government has a shit Human Rights history. They should replace their tools of oppression (batons) with musical instruments, proper A=432Hz tuned, not that nazi 440 crap.
Have you ever noticed that its usually the actions of the loud, violent, immoral, selfish and/or obedient 0.001% who deliver the massacre and get all the genocidal headlines (or not), I wonder why.  No I don't, we live in a world where Stan Meyers, John Lennon and JFK get assassinated, yet scum like the Rotchilds and the Dildoburgers can walk the earth. I've got a pile of books here beside me, if your cold I can make a little fire, keep you warm?

 

Then tonight I see this footage of a Falun Gong protestor setting themself alight in Tiananmen Square in 1989 (the text is in english, the video is in Chinese). The Chinese Authorities were still putting out flames with CO2 as the person stood, then an officer blew the protestor's head apart with a shotgun. Nobody batted an eyelid, just kept on doing their jobs like robots. Is that the mind control you were talking about?

Comment by Spirality on November 16, 2011 at 7:27

While we're on the subject of Tiananmen Square, you reminded me of this footage which the Chinese Government tried to ban. Its from the second day of Student Protests on 5th June 1989

 

It should by now be glaringly obvious that this thread is not about Falun Gong at all, and I strongly suggest you keep on topic, as I notice you haven't mentioned Falun Dafa even once in your replies.

 

And while we're on the subject, is there some activity that the Falun Dafa practitioners are doing that justifies the army abducting and torturing them? 

 

I should also remind you that this thread is called "The Art Of Torture, The untold story of Falun Dafa part 3", as originally named by the uploader, its not called anything else.  It is an artistic peice reflecting the Chinese Millitary/Government's record of religious persecution and torture. The issues here are Persecution (harassment), Abductions, Torture and Suppression, which are not the same as a "Falun Gong Cult". What you are seeing in the Video is Art-As-Protest, and the subject matter is persecution, suppression, kidnapping, and torture.

 

The question for me is not where they learned the torture techniques, but rather why they would chose to spend their lives inflicting suffering on the bound and helpless? It is inhumane and only serves to bring darkness to the World.

Do you have any thoughts on that, Darndale?

Comment by Darndale on November 16, 2011 at 2:23

If unlocking your potential is going to Tian An Men square, sending yourself and your child up in flames in the belief that you will overcome the ordeal through meditation... I'd call Dynolock for any potential unlocking.

I am very aware of this cult its MO and agenda. I don't doubt that you would not be approached by a Flun Gong-er - but that's the nature of the Chinese people in general.

BTW don't have a TV. More importantly Falun Gong is not an alias for Qi Gong hence the fact that the Chinese Gov. has no issues with Qi Gong, Tai Chi as their practitioners do not practice mind control.

Comment by Spirality on November 16, 2011 at 1:10

Its not a cult, you watch too much tv.
Falun Dafa (aka: Falun Gong, Chi Kung, etc) is an excercise technique for unlocking the human potential, something that card-carrying government stooges don't like, because it disrupts the uniformity of the people, and makes them realise that there are no limits to being Human.
You'd be more likely to get run over by a whiskey-soaked judge on his way home from the lodge, than to be approached by a Falun Dafa practitioner.

Comment by Darndale on November 16, 2011 at 0:15

Falun Gong is a Cult. They are the Scientologist of China. They are used by western Media to promote anti-Chinese sentiment. Membership of the cult is usually attained to seek asylum. The torture methods that are claimed to be used in this clip are remarkably similar to the methods used by the Japanese against the Chinese people - probably where they got the ideas from?